Comments on: short excerpt from Strategy of the Refusal http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/ Notes on Mario Tronti Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:57:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: proletinkult http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-45 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:01:03 +0100 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-45 Ecco the complete translation: http://www.geocities.com/cordobakaf/tronti_refusal.html Ecco the complete translation:

http://www.geocities.com/cordobakaf/tronti_refusal.html

]]> by: Nate http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-40 Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:11:20 +0000 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-40 hi Alex, I made the change you suggested. Thanks for that. I hope your move and all that works/worked out as best as possible. take it easy, Nate hi Alex,
I made the change you suggested. Thanks for that. I hope your move and all that works/worked out as best as possible.
take it easy,
Nate

]]> by: Nate http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-39 Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:27:39 +0000 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-39 Thanks Alex. That makes more sense. I had a really hard time with the first half of that sentence. If I was being more careful I should have checked the Italian and/or French against the Spanish. There's frequently words used with different sense than what I'm used to and so I find them really puzzling, nearly gibberish in some cases. It's like I get stuck in one meaning of the word. Reference to other languages, even ones I don't really know can help me to break out of that and see a different meaning that makes sense in context. (Or just looking in a decent dictionary!) best, Nate Thanks Alex. That makes more sense. I had a really hard time with the first half of that sentence. If I was being more careful I should have checked the Italian and/or French against the Spanish. There’s frequently words used with different sense than what I’m used to and so I find them really puzzling, nearly gibberish in some cases. It’s like I get stuck in one meaning of the word. Reference to other languages, even ones I don’t really know can help me to break out of that and see a different meaning that makes sense in context. (Or just looking in a decent dictionary!)
best,
Nate

]]> by: Alex http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-38 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:20:43 +0000 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-38 Hi Nate, Just one minor thing I wondered about though not completely sure myself. "It is not in vain that it remains united, as a discovery, with the Leninist initiative of the Bolshevik October." The French uses "hasard" which I've translated as "by accident" and "lie" which I translate as "linked" or "tied to" as in "It is not by accident/chance that it remains linked to the Leninist initiative of the Bolshvik October." The meaning remains pretty much the same in any case. Alex Hi Nate,

Just one minor thing I wondered about though not completely sure myself.

“It is not in vain that it remains united, as a discovery, with the Leninist initiative of the Bolshevik October.”

The French uses “hasard” which I’ve translated as “by accident” and “lie” which I translate as “linked” or “tied to” as in “It is not by accident/chance that it remains linked to the Leninist initiative of the Bolshvik October.”

The meaning remains pretty much the same in any case.

Alex

]]> by: geo http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-35 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:21:05 +0000 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-35 yes, i noticed that they had left that bit out of the translation..... these things are always strange. it was probably omitted for the lenin reference or the critique of stalin, but it's hard to tell which. yes, i noticed that they had left that bit out of the translation….. these things are always strange. it was probably omitted for the lenin reference or the critique of stalin, but it’s hard to tell which.

]]> by: Alex http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-34 Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:20:33 +0000 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-34 Will do. Alex Will do.

Alex

]]> by: s0metim3s http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-32 Sun, 12 Mar 2006 03:24:30 +0000 http://leggiamotronti.blogsome.com/2006/03/11/short-excerpt-from-strategy-of-the-refusal/#comment-32 That's pretty interesting, Nate. And, I think the distinction between class strategy and party tactics is one he came to emphasise in the other essays. Although I'm not sure whether the same formulation appears, it's apparent in his discussion of, say, intellectuals in (if I recall right?) "Lenin in England". Definitely worth noting, and thanks for doing the translation. That’s pretty interesting, Nate. And, I think the distinction between class strategy and party tactics is one he came to emphasise in the other essays. Although I’m not sure whether the same formulation appears, it’s apparent in his discussion of, say, intellectuals in (if I recall right?) “Lenin in England”.

Definitely worth noting, and thanks for doing the translation.

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